a few weeks ago, i asked you to critique my website article on dinosaurs (http://www.jwbeliefs.com/what-do-jehovahs-witnesses-believe-about-dinosaurs/).
it was pointed out that much of what i wrote depends on the creative "days" being relatively short - something i believe jws teach.. after being prompted to review my conclusions/research, i was more convinced than ever that jws promote relatively short creative days.
the nail in the coffin was the teaching that day seven is indicative of the length of the other six days (i.e.
Thanks for your replies! I can see that the heading of my post is probably misleading...
What I'd realy like to know is if all seven creative "days" were the same length. As far as I can tell, that is what JWs teach. If so, they would all be about 7000 years...
a few weeks ago, i asked you to critique my website article on dinosaurs (http://www.jwbeliefs.com/what-do-jehovahs-witnesses-believe-about-dinosaurs/).
it was pointed out that much of what i wrote depends on the creative "days" being relatively short - something i believe jws teach.. after being prompted to review my conclusions/research, i was more convinced than ever that jws promote relatively short creative days.
the nail in the coffin was the teaching that day seven is indicative of the length of the other six days (i.e.
Hi all,
A few weeks ago, I asked you to critique my website article on Dinosaurs (http://www.jwbeliefs.com/what-do-jehovahs-witnesses-believe-about-dinosaurs/). It was pointed out that much of what I wrote depends on the creative "days" being relatively short - something I believe JWs teach.
After being prompted to review my conclusions/research, I was more convinced than ever that JWs promote relatively short creative “days”. The nail in the coffin was the teaching that “day” seven is indicative of the length of the other six “days” (i.e.: about 7000 years).
“ The fact is, the Bible reveals that the creative “days,” or ages, encompass thousands of years.
A person can see this from what the Bible says about the seventh “day.” The record of each of the first six “days” ends saying,‘and there came to be evening and morning, a first day,’ and so on. Yet, you will not find that comment after the record of the seventh “day.” And in the first century C.E., some 4,000 years downstream in history, the Bible referred to the seventh rest “day” as still continuing. So the seventh “day” was a period spanning thousands of years, and we can logically conclude the same about the first six “days.” ”- Creator book, 1998
But then I thought: What if JWs no longer subscribe to that idea? I can’t find anything in print that would indicate as much…
So, do JWs teach that the creative “days” were all different lengths, or all the same length? Have they published anything that would conclusively reverse their previous teaching?
FYI: I have outlined my research and conclusions about the creative “days” here: http://www.jwbeliefs.com/jehovahs-witnesses-believe-creative-days/ Again, it is a work in progress and I appreciate any suggestions/corrections/comments.
i've never seen this discussed here, so thought i'd bring it up:.
as far as i can figure, jehovah's witnesses no longer teach that black skin is the result of a curse from god.
instead, they seem to teach that canaan was already dark skinned when his father, ham, brought the curse of servitude upon their family.
I've never seen this discussed here, so thought I'd bring it up:
As far as I can figure, Jehovah's Witnesses no longer teach that black skin is the result of a curse from God. Instead, they seem to teach that Canaan was already dark skinned when his father, Ham, brought the curse of servitude upon their family. Ham, evidently is believed to have had black skin.
In the movie "Noah - He Walked With God", Noah, his wife, and two sons are depicted as white skinned. The third son, Ham, is pictured as a black man. It would seem that Jehovah's Witnesses believe two white people produced the first black person and thus the entire "black race", which just happened to be cursed by God.
Am I reading too much into the movie? I think not, because JWs always boast about how much effort they put into thier productions. Casting a black man as Ham, seems awfuly deliberate... and has disturbig racial implications, I think.
NOAH & WIFE
SON #1
HAM, NOAH, SON #2
hello one and all.. the local jws had a booth set up at my university today and something just came over me.
i went to a computer, found a list of failed prophecies, printed and stapled it, and walked over to the middle aged woman and the 10-ish years old girl.
the woman said "if you are interested in anything, take it for free.
One of the most important seeds planted in my mind came from a houdeholder in service. He asked: "shouldn't Abraham have said 'NO!' when God asked him to cut up his son and burn the body?". I agreed, and left.
as part of my deconversion catharsis, i have been building a(nother) website to highlight some of the more ridiculous jw beliefs.
im a looong way from done, but i wanted some early feedback on one article: dinosaurs.
http://www.jwbeliefs.com/dinosaurs/.
I tracked it down...
From the brochure "Enjoy Life on Earth Forever!", 1982:
Original picture from "My Book of Bible Stories", 1978:
It would seem that they removed the woman holding a baby and added extra lightning, more people drowning, and a dinosaur or two (at least, that sure looks like a dinosaur...)!
as part of my deconversion catharsis, i have been building a(nother) website to highlight some of the more ridiculous jw beliefs.
im a looong way from done, but i wanted some early feedback on one article: dinosaurs.
http://www.jwbeliefs.com/dinosaurs/.
Apognophos, thanks for making me think!
My understanding of the physics of the water canopy is as follows: Material can either orbit the earth or bear directly on it (I'm unaware of a third option). Therefore, water can either orbit the earth (something like the ice rings of Saturn) or ‘float’ in the atmosphere (something like clouds and vapour), which in turn bears directly on Earth’s surface. If the water canopy existed toward the outer reaches of our atmosphere (not actually very high up at all), it would indeed turn to ice fall straight down.
As for the effect on carbon dating - I’m going to have to re-think that… my head hurts.
Also, you have made me seriously doubt the 7000 year thing. Maybe they do intend to allow for millions of years. It’s just that, a simple reading of their literature gives such a different impression...
as part of my deconversion catharsis, i have been building a(nother) website to highlight some of the more ridiculous jw beliefs.
im a looong way from done, but i wanted some early feedback on one article: dinosaurs.
http://www.jwbeliefs.com/dinosaurs/.
OOOO! That is too good. Must. Find. Brochure.
as part of my deconversion catharsis, i have been building a(nother) website to highlight some of the more ridiculous jw beliefs.
im a looong way from done, but i wanted some early feedback on one article: dinosaurs.
http://www.jwbeliefs.com/dinosaurs/.
Continuing to think out loud… If JWs mean to indicate that the creative “days” were "thousands of thousands" of years long, they surely do not mean the same for “day” seven. This would indicate that the “days” of the creative week are not the same length! Now, JWs have never said that, have they? I know they say that events started in one day overlapped into the others, but they never indicate the days are different lengths.
Also, millions of years would not be “thousands” of years, by any traditional or mathmatical definition of the term "thousands". I suppose they could mean 999,999 years…. This is all so stupid.
as part of my deconversion catharsis, i have been building a(nother) website to highlight some of the more ridiculous jw beliefs.
im a looong way from done, but i wanted some early feedback on one article: dinosaurs.
http://www.jwbeliefs.com/dinosaurs/.
_Morpheus, if only there was a recording!
The infamouse 1990 Awake! (not that long ago) says that scientists cannot answer with cerainty what happened to the dinosaurs or when. Why? According to the article, Noah's Flood screwed up carbon dating! I kid you not.
Since they have never retracted anything in that article, and have never contradicted it with new light, I think we can assume it to be current teaching.
as part of my deconversion catharsis, i have been building a(nother) website to highlight some of the more ridiculous jw beliefs.
im a looong way from done, but i wanted some early feedback on one article: dinosaurs.
http://www.jwbeliefs.com/dinosaurs/.
Thanks Apognophos!
I actually have no idea what the rules are about using JW art. I have tried to only take still images from JW videos, for the purpose of commentary and/or critiscim. I feel like that ought to be allowed, even if it isn't technically…
As for the creative "days": The way I always understood it, JWs base the length of the six days on how long they want/need day seven to be. If the "end" is imminent, day seven must be very close to 7000 years. What's your take on that?
Also, they have stated in very recent literature that each "day" was "thousands" of years long. That would be the most limiting definition thay have commited to, and therefore the one they should be held to (I think...). If they really mean millions, or "thousands of thousands", they have neither said that nor indicated it in any way. They even hedge thier bets on the "thousands" of years, usually saying "may have” or “could have". That is why, I belive, they always clearly differentiate between the millions/billions of years before creation and the "days" of creation.
I think they're deliberatly trying to obfuscate thier true belifes. Due to your prompting, however, I will do some more research!
